Mater that doesn't really count when they both have the same basic motor!

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2001 white gt coupe with enough crap to make it run mid 13's with 3 bad pistons
2002 40th GTP sedan mostly stock

details lol

the 99 still books more even with the rust

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92 LeBaron Convert: Turbo 3L 97 Grand Prix GT 4dr "Frankenstein": L67 4t65 swap
97 Grand Marquis: Summer DD 99 Grand Prix GTP: Top Swap Beater

let me know then how they book, comparitvly after the struts poke through the towers and the seats start comming through the floor like the gtx. it may be a high milage 97 body, but something tells me it will be around long after your current/recent gp's. ( accedents aside)

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2001 white gt coupe with enough crap to make it run mid 13's with 3 bad pistons
2002 40th GTP sedan mostly stock

the 99 in thw worse shape they show (aperantly it is in fair shape LOLz) $3500

the 97 is $2800 and is verry good


if i book the 97 as a GTP though it actualy is the exact same as the 99

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92 LeBaron Convert: Turbo 3L 97 Grand Prix GT 4dr "Frankenstein": L67 4t65 swap
97 Grand Marquis: Summer DD 99 Grand Prix GTP: Top Swap Beater

I'm going with zzp springs, I dont have much choice. They have the least drop. Lol I'm nuts to put 1500 into my suspension on a car I will enjoy for one, MABYE two more summers.

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I wouldn't give ZZP a dime for those springs, especially after the crap they pulled with Speedball over lowering springs. If you don't want to go lower than 1" why bother lowering it at all IMO. Just rock stock height and get some different struts to aid in handling. Or go the coilover route so you can raise the car up in the winter months.

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GP's:04 GP GT, Past now G-Ma's Girlfriend's 97 GP GT, "Project Pink Power"

Meh, its 1.2 inches actually...and well if you dont think it will make a difference in handling then I wont bother. I wanted a slight drop, not much. And coilovers are insanly expensive lol.

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It will make a different in handling, but again I wouldn't give a dime to Zoomer for an ebay product which costs 1/2 as much. The only review on ZZP's site say 1.2" drop but I'll bet a dollar that that person measured the height 10 seconds after he lowered the jack, thus the springs never even settled. Knowing ZZP's history, the springs they are selling are straight up DNA's 1.7"ers, they just post it on their site differently. Mind you, they listed SSC's on their site and sent Speedball DNA springs, 1 day later Trey called them out their site changed to say "ZZP springs" instead of "SSC Springs." I can assure you that ZZP didn't find a manufacturer in a couple days (again looking at speedballs case) to make them custom springs for market they don't even care about anymore since it's now a dead platform.

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Dubs:00 VW GTI VR6, Low and Slow 91 VW GTI 8v, Shave the Bay!! 91 VW Cabriolet 8v, bitch Basket
GP's:04 GP GT, Past now G-Ma's Girlfriend's 97 GP GT, "Project Pink Power"

True enough. I might not. I need to consider Im not keeping the car past one more summer, mabye a bit of next lol. Then its strictly a winter car. So i might not bother, as the case may be.

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If you feel the need, go used for sure. Or just rock it the way you are knowing it's future

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2001 white gt coupe with enough crap to make it run mid 13's with 3 bad pistons
2002 40th GTP sedan mostly stock

So then the question needs to be asked (and Mater I know this is going to sound horrible seeing as your old part is sitting in my lap lol) is it worth doing sway-bars and STB's, without lowering the car? I cant see why not. It should still make a difference, and I'm getting KYB shocks for sure, mine are near shot.

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just get DNA springs from ebay that is exactly what ZZ will be sending you any way

at least with there recent track record

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92 LeBaron Convert: Turbo 3L 97 Grand Prix GT 4dr "Frankenstein": L67 4t65 swap
97 Grand Marquis: Summer DD 99 Grand Prix GTP: Top Swap Beater

I need to clarify again. I absolutely will not lower my car 1.7 inches, the car would be impossible to use in the winter. So I need to know, that being said, if its worth doing anything besides shocks, which I know I need.

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I use my car in winter and I have 2.5" of ground clearance between the road and the subframe

STB's will help regardless of going lower or not, as will bigger sway bars, different struts, etc. A drop is not required to have a better handling GP, it obviously does help and makes it look better, but you can still have noticeable results without a drop.

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GP's:04 GP GT, Past now G-Ma's Girlfriend's 97 GP GT, "Project Pink Power"

Ty planeboy . I just thought of this after my last post: if I can find someone who can "cold" cut the springs, I might be able to get the small drop I want. I realize that cutting can compromise the springs(change spring rates, even change the structure of the steel itself) so I obviously wont do it if I can't get it done properly.

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yes, yes, yes.. you will notice a difference if you do the handling mods without lowering.. i had the gmpp bars on my 97 after i put stock struts and spings and i forgot about the bars till the first corner i turned.. the effect of the handleing package is just amplified when lowered. but it still helps.

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2001 white gt coupe with enough crap to make it run mid 13's with 3 bad pistons
2002 40th GTP sedan mostly stock

^^^

yup you will notice even being the swiss cheese car that t was the GTX handled great with the 35mm front bar, 25mm rear bar, front rear GMPP strut bars.

it also had the SLP konis and lowering springs but i added the strut bars after the fact

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92 LeBaron Convert: Turbo 3L 97 Grand Prix GT 4dr "Frankenstein": L67 4t65 swap
97 Grand Marquis: Summer DD 99 Grand Prix GTP: Top Swap Beater

Cool lol. I do look forward to getting everything together and in. Also my shocks arent too bad. I might just do stb's and sway bars for now, see how it goes. BTW Mater, the part showed up today, perfectly intact

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glad it showed up ok

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92 LeBaron Convert: Turbo 3L 97 Grand Prix GT 4dr "Frankenstein": L67 4t65 swap
97 Grand Marquis: Summer DD 99 Grand Prix GTP: Top Swap Beater

So now I'm shopping for a rear bar lol. I had in mind the GMPP rear sway bar, it will probably be the easiest one to find. But I found the Addco bar (22 mm, 7/8 inch) I dont like the price, but I do think it would be a better match for the front bar. Anyone have any other ideas? Mabye I can get something 20-22mm for less then the Addco bar?

NVM lol...called up GM and got the genuine GMPP stb's and rear sway bar...only $135 for everything lol

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So I picked up all the parts yesterday and...as you guys said I need stb brackets. GM wants you to mount them directly to the strut towers lol.

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yep, time to give don a call.. or look for used ones.

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2001 white gt coupe with enough crap to make it run mid 13's with 3 bad pistons
2002 40th GTP sedan mostly stock

DRcustomparts.com. Sometimes you can find them used but they sell pretty quick. Spend a few bucks and save your time drilling into the body of a car. but we all know GM isn't the brightest manuf.

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Lol that goes without saying. I'm actually going to my mechanics tommorow to make my own brackets. I'll post up some pics when I get them done.

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Obviously havent been at my mechanics to fab mounts lol. Going there tommorow, hopefully get a start on them. The car has almost 100k miles on it now, first tune-up tommorow

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