when it comes to headers I see really cheap ones going on ebay but it doesnt say they fit the 04+ supercharged motors . . also has anyone had experience with the headers or should I stay away from them?

also should I get a downpipe, or the tog style one?

Mostly all headers will come with a downpipe already, either catless or still with a cat. I beleive they all fit the 04+, some with minor modifications. You will get a rear 02 sensor code which can be programmed out of your pcm, or you can just live with the orange light on... I have pacesetters with no cat and no resonator with 3 inches pipe just to before the fuel tank, and love them. A lot of people don't seem to like pacesetters due to the leaky y pipe, and tend to steer towards speed daddys for sticking on the cheaper side.

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are you running stock mufflers to?

As far as i know stock mufflers aren't restrictive until what, 300+ WHP, which wont come from just headers. They do make it sound nice though

edit: Oh, that didn't answer your question lol, yes i have stock mufflers. Beleive it or not replacing the resonator with a 3 inch pipe gave it a slightly nicer tone in my opinion, didn't even make it much louder. IMO get the headers, see if you like the sound, if not replace the resonator with either a pipe or a different one and then get mufflers if you still dont like the sound.

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alright thanks for the heads up man!

as of right now these are the ones ive been looking at

option #1
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/97-03-04 ... 2c5b3595ef

#2
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/REGAL-GR ... 27b931f05f

#3
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/97-05-CH ... 27b93edb81

any recommendations guys? thanks in advance

First one is pacesetter style, which would be a no go because i think the crossover was welded wrong on those and require heavy modification.

Second is speeddaddy headers which i think a lot of people would recommend on here. They fit pretty god from what i hear, but have a ubend which isn't too big of a deal.

Third style im not sure about about, they look darn near identical to the speed daddys though.

I would say seccond option, but let the experts chime in.


Also if price wasn't too big of a deal, i would like to see somebody try these out :

http://www.wbodystore.com/grandprix/Sta ... p-332.html

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thanks for the help! I was actually leaning towards #1 first. but thanks for the input on #2 now how well does the stainless steel holdup to your knowledge?

seems to hold up pretty good and plus once they get warm once it like a cool laser show under your hood! funky colors man!

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180* Stat/FWI/ZZP PCM/SD Headers/MPS 3.4/104's
Black and tinted corners and headlights and fogs/6000k H.I.D/Tinted tails/Eibach's/GMPP STB/12'' Brake upgrade/18'' Ruff Black/Machined

#2!!! Speed daddy's are the way to go. And all the 3800 headers will fit all the 97-08 GP's no matter if it's N/A or S/C. They just list them as different things on ebay to get more hits in searches. Stainless steel will hold up pretty well and will hold up much better than coated mild steel like some other headers.

As mentioned, headers will come with their own DP.

Also, if you have the extra cash, the Wbody store headers might be the way to go, but if not, speed daddy's will be fine.

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GP's:04 GP GT, Past now G-Ma's Girlfriend's 97 GP GT, "Project Pink Power"

what do you mean by laser show lol

and thanks planeboy. yeah speedydaddys will be my way to go haha

I think as it heats up the color changes to like blue and gold and stuff

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hmm i see

it's just the metal discoloring from the heat. kinda like the "burtn" tips you see on some aftermarket exhaust systems. I think it looks cool on the headers.

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Sold: 06 Cobalt SS/SC, 99 GTP 245WHP/326 Ft-lbs, 06 R6

so the speed daddy's are catless? Anyone know any tuners in Houston?

Yeah the speed daddy's and all the headers I can think of off the top of my head are all catless. As for tuners, I don't know anyone out that way, but I'm sure someone might.

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GP's:04 GP GT, Past now G-Ma's Girlfriend's 97 GP GT, "Project Pink Power"

speed daddies are but they have a cat delete pipe all you do it not install the pipe and just put in a 3" cat

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97 Grand Marquis: Summer DD 99 Grand Prix GTP: Top Swap Beater

i will be pulling my headers off soon, i will post some pics of what they look like with some time on them (obx aka speed daddy style) they have been holding up great i think

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2001 white gt coupe with enough crap to make it run mid 13's with 3 bad pistons
2002 40th GTP sedan mostly stock

Isn't Tengis on CGP around Houston? I know he used to tune, not sure if he still does.

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Sold: 06 Cobalt SS/SC, 99 GTP 245WHP/326 Ft-lbs, 06 R6

think he does he had a thread awile back of a local GP with a 3.4 and nothing else with 16* of KR

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97 Grand Marquis: Summer DD 99 Grand Prix GTP: Top Swap Beater

Holy shit.... That's not good

There WAS (emphasis on was) a guy around here with a 3.0 with NOTHING else. Last I heard, chipped piston, engine gone, car was sold and someone gave it a transplant.

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2012 MINI Cooper Clubman

I have ADHD and drive a Focus. Ironically.
Although gold dust is precious, when it gets in your eyes, it obstructs your vision.

any issues with the speed daddy headers? oh and i found a couple tuners in the houston area if anyone is interested.

Yes Tengis is in Houston and he has a performance shop that specializes in the 3800.

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What is the shop called?

Did you ever buy headers? I have a set of Speed Daddys that have never been used and I am in Fort Wayne, PM me.

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Not sure, but here's his profile on CGP:

http://www.clubgp.com/newforum/showProf ... emid=36023

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Sold: 06 Cobalt SS/SC, 99 GTP 245WHP/326 Ft-lbs, 06 R6