before some one says GET A XP!! or get a S1x!!!. i am well aware they are a better cam and can support more power.


the reason i am thinking of the VS is idle quality i actualy want a none lopey cam. the GTP is the DD and my mom drives it a bit and with her MS a shacky lopey idle is not good.

i was thinking of parring the VS with 1.7 rockers giving a total lift of .537/.537 little more then the XP. the durration will still be less but not by mutch but that is why the VS idles smoother


thoughts?

car will probably be none intercooled with a 3.5 or smaller if the car has no KR

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92 LeBaron Convert: Turbo 3L 97 Grand Prix GT 4dr "Frankenstein": L67 4t65 swap
97 Grand Marquis: Summer DD 99 Grand Prix GTP: Top Swap Beater

VS is a good cam and can make big power if tuned properly. A guy locally had one with a 1.7 rocker setup, intercooled running consistant 12.1s. With great gas mileage and stockish idle.

Milestone

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Put YT 1.84 rollers on top of that cam for a li'l more lift.

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One Big Ass Mistake America

would that not be too much? no valve to piston contact?

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92 LeBaron Convert: Turbo 3L 97 Grand Prix GT 4dr "Frankenstein": L67 4t65 swap
97 Grand Marquis: Summer DD 99 Grand Prix GTP: Top Swap Beater

Mater, I say just stick with headers and maybe a CAI. Don't blow this one up.

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2012 Ford Focus SE Sport
2012 MINI Cooper Clubman

I have ADHD and drive a Focus. Ironically.
Although gold dust is precious, when it gets in your eyes, it obstructs your vision.

i didn't blow the last one up. it just cought fire do to a fuel leak

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92 LeBaron Convert: Turbo 3L 97 Grand Prix GT 4dr "Frankenstein": L67 4t65 swap
97 Grand Marquis: Summer DD 99 Grand Prix GTP: Top Swap Beater

Pretty damn close... lol

I vote leave the engine IN the car unless you NEED to take it out. If I were you I wouldn't be testing my luck much...

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2012 Ford Focus SE Sport
2012 MINI Cooper Clubman

I have ADHD and drive a Focus. Ironically.
Although gold dust is precious, when it gets in your eyes, it obstructs your vision.

oh i will not be removing the engine unless i have too. you can install a cam through the passenger wheel well lol


but the more i think i might just do the 1.84 rockers and look for a cheap cam and wait the engine to puke

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92 LeBaron Convert: Turbo 3L 97 Grand Prix GT 4dr "Frankenstein": L67 4t65 swap
97 Grand Marquis: Summer DD 99 Grand Prix GTP: Top Swap Beater

for cost and ease, i think you would be smart to do a rocker setup. would give you almost as much bump as the vs but far less work and a little cheaper..

i have a new acronym for this car... you need to "kiss" this car

remember kiss

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid





disclamer of nothing degrading is ment by this statement.. and to add that the auto alight jacked up my plan and had to change the layout of the acronym

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2001 white gt coupe with enough crap to make it run mid 13's with 3 bad pistons
2002 40th GTP sedan mostly stock

yeah think i have found some cheap 1.9's might just do that

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92 LeBaron Convert: Turbo 3L 97 Grand Prix GT 4dr "Frankenstein": L67 4t65 swap
97 Grand Marquis: Summer DD 99 Grand Prix GTP: Top Swap Beater

If I were to do a VS cam (I did have one at one time in my hands) I would do the exact setup that Milestone described. Downtwn got 350whp out of a VS Cam which is about where we max out on WHP before you really have to start searchin' for more power with the S/C

VS cam means you can do 300whp with ease

Rockers means you will struggle to do 300whp if your lucky

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04 Supercharged American and 01 Turbo Swede

What do you want to achieve power wise? A tuned rocker setup and smaller pulley can net you close to 300 but cams are easier to get power out of. I went the rocker route because my car is a DD and idles exactly the same as stock.

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2004 Grand Prix GTP
FWI | HP Tuner | 1.9 Rockers | Headers | 3.5 Pulley | 97-03 Control Arms w/GMPP sway bar|

^^^ What these guys said and you will suffer the mod bug again because most that do rockers, will end up doing a cam.

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2009.5 SBM G8 GT
November 2011 Car of the Month

12's any where from a 12.9 down to a 12.7 and i will be happy. so 280whp-310whp (the 01 ran a 12.99 with 261WHP but it had no interior, no cat back, donut rims on the back (with proper tires), and slicks on the front)

looking it up i will be fine using 1.84 rockers with a VS so i think i will just do the 1.84 rockers first. then cam it later and still be fine. heck might not even have to cam the car depending on how well it responds to mods

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92 LeBaron Convert: Turbo 3L 97 Grand Prix GT 4dr "Frankenstein": L67 4t65 swap
97 Grand Marquis: Summer DD 99 Grand Prix GTP: Top Swap Beater

I lol'ed because this is so blunt but it had to be said.

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'05 WRX STi - COBB Stage 2|Invidia DP|3" Borla XR-1|Coilovers|Camber Plates|Swaybars|Endlinks|Bushings|Braces|Anti Lift Kit|DBA4000s|SS lines|
Sold: 06 Cobalt SS/SC, 99 GTP 245WHP/326 Ft-lbs, 06 R6

it never blew up

heck all the things that normal break on GPs never onces faild on mine

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92 LeBaron Convert: Turbo 3L 97 Grand Prix GT 4dr "Frankenstein": L67 4t65 swap
97 Grand Marquis: Summer DD 99 Grand Prix GTP: Top Swap Beater

as much as it feels odd to stick up for the little fella, i do have to say he is right.. all the "normal" stuff did fine and all the odd ball shit is what happend. trust me.. i think i have most of it worked out of the car now, but damn was it interesting to do so.

and blowing a fireball is the only thing that blew. i think i could have cleaned it up and put it back together and drove it, but i tore it down to be safe, and all looks good inside. and is what i am using for the build i am doing now.

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2001 white gt coupe with enough crap to make it run mid 13's with 3 bad pistons
2002 40th GTP sedan mostly stock

it was still using stock axles. the factory stock axles at that. still has the factory stock wheel barring too

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92 LeBaron Convert: Turbo 3L 97 Grand Prix GT 4dr "Frankenstein": L67 4t65 swap
97 Grand Marquis: Summer DD 99 Grand Prix GTP: Top Swap Beater

Local has a VS cam in his '01. Very impressive time(s) for what mods he has done. 12.51 @ 111.52MPH

Hes #2 on our local 1/4 mile list. I'm #3 with my 12.70 @ 105.09MPH. Hopefully I can top that sometime this summer. Last time I ran at the track was 11/03/07. Freaking sad!

~F~

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What setup are you running Farns?

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2009.5 SBM G8 GT
November 2011 Car of the Month

Something crazy I'm sure. I bet Farns has a carbon fiber camshaft

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'05 WRX STi - COBB Stage 2|Invidia DP|3" Borla XR-1|Coilovers|Camber Plates|Swaybars|Endlinks|Bushings|Braces|Anti Lift Kit|DBA4000s|SS lines|
Sold: 06 Cobalt SS/SC, 99 GTP 245WHP/326 Ft-lbs, 06 R6

Carbon Fiber turbo on a stick...

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2012 Ford Focus SE Sport
2012 MINI Cooper Clubman

I have ADHD and drive a Focus. Ironically.
Although gold dust is precious, when it gets in your eyes, it obstructs your vision.

Current mod list. Ya, there is some carbon in my diet too.

Engine/Performance Modifications
• ZZP POLY upper motor mounts
• 9" K&N Open Cone Filter
• 4" FWI tube powder coated red
• LS1 MAF (10/8/2007)
• GR8racingfool made LS1 TB
• GR8racingfool made LS1 TB adapter plate
• Fully custom polished inside and out GenV M90 by GR8racingfool
• Powder coated stock fuel rails
• Siemens 60.0 65.0 pound/hour flow matched injectors
• Ported and polished LIM by GR8racingfool
• Aluminum GM LIM gaskets
• Intense Stage 3 Heads
• ARP Head studs
• AL 103 plugs gapped at .045
• Taylor Wires
• Summit Red coils
• MLS Head Gaskets .052
• Coated TOGs w/3" DP
• Harland Sharp/Intense GenIII 1.70 adjustable roller rockers
• Intense O.R. push rods
• Stock 2004 Comp. G lifters
• Intense Stage 3 Cam
• Meziere polished electric water pump
• Custom polished alternator w/chrome pulley by GR8racingfool
• Roller Master Double roller timing chain - crank gear custom machined
• Oil pump cover milled down .020" off for clearance by S.T.S. of Wichita Kansas
• 50 balanced bottom end
• ARP main studs
• 9.5.1 Coated Diamond Pistons
• Total seal rings - filed to fit
• L32 Rods bored
• ARP rod bolts
• Clevite Bearings through out
• L67 Flex plate drilled for a 245mm TC by GR8racingfool
• Powder coated stock upper diagonal side braces
• Powder coated motor mounts & dog bones
• NOS Brand Dry Nitrous Kit = 50 to 65 shot
• Caspers electric fan switch
• Custom Polished PCM case by GR8racingfool with custom tune by Pity410
• ZZP 8 rib harmonic balancer
• GR8racingfool made carbon fiber coil cover
• GR8racingfool made carbon fiber inlaid front valve cover
• GR8racingfool made carbon fiber reservoir lid covers
• Billet oil fill cap with carbon fiber inlay
• One of the Last Big Jeff built INTENSE transmissions
• I added 3.29 gears
• Hardened 4th clutch shaft
• solid lower mounts
• Powder coated fill tube
• Powder coated side cover bracket
• B&M <24000GVW Transmission Cooler
• ZZP 245mm 2750 Stall TC
• GR8racingfool made carbon fiber GenV EVAP block off plate
• Carbon fiber coolant reservoir
• Chrome plated misc. nuts and bolts in engine bay
• GR8racingfool made custom one off, billet cog belt supercharger drive system
• GR8racingfool made custom one off, billet supercharger belt guard
• GR8racingfool made custom one off, billet 1” D.P.N.I. plate


All that + the goofy '97 PCM tune we goofed on and pulled a 12 out of it. The fuel tables were backwards on a 1997 vs. a 2001. So my friend who was doing my tuning was used to his 2001, and when we did mine, he forgot to put in the negatives. So instead of adding fuel like it should, it was pulling fuel, and I was running scary lean on the top end. Lean is mean, but I built the engine strong enough it survived that "whoops". We have corrected the program, we just need to go tune it again, and then off to the track. That was 4 years ago...haven't had time, or been to the track since.

~F~

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oops

silly 97's


anyway this car is in no shape to be modded yet. this thing was neglected hardcore. i have never seen a car so sludged up in the top end and the stock exhuast manifolds are cracked so it needs headers i priced it out and speed daddies are cheaper then replacement manifolds

it had the factory plugs and wires and the factory fuel filter that refuses to come off. this poor poor car

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92 LeBaron Convert: Turbo 3L 97 Grand Prix GT 4dr "Frankenstein": L67 4t65 swap
97 Grand Marquis: Summer DD 99 Grand Prix GTP: Top Swap Beater

i have a 97

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