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 Post subject: LIM disappointment
PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:10 pm 
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On December 31st at 10:00 A.M. Corey, Tyler and myself started ripping into my car and got all the way down to the LIM and remove it (gasket was replaced before purchasing the car in June and had no leaks). I had purchased a ported LIM and a ported Supercharger and we put in a new LIM Felpro Gaskets. Installed the SSIC with two garlock gaskets one between the SSIC and LIM and one between SSIC and Supercharger. We also installed fuel logs with flow match 42.5 Lucis Fuel injectors and needed longer bolts to mount the fuel logs so that concluded our day on December 31st.

On January 5th, 2009, I arrived at Corey’s place around 6:00p.m. with longer bolts to mount the fuel logs. After mounting the fuel logs, I wrote a bin file to the PCM to adjust the fuel flow for the 42.5. After doing so, I proceeded to start the car; the car turned over very hard, but fired up but struggled to run. So I shut it off immediately, and fixed fuel leaks from the fuel logs. After checking everything over, I proceeded to check the oil and it was milky. After trying to pull the oil plug for 45min, because it was stripped in the oil pan hole, Corey and I finally got it out. I drained it and ran out of time that night to put new oil in. After a few phone calls that night, I proceeded to order from ZZP aluminum LIM Gaskets with GM adhesive.

On January 8th, 2009, I ran to Advanced Auto and got the cheapest oil and oil filter with an oil drain plug and two gallons of Anti-freeze and went home thinking about how all of this was going to turn out on January 9, 2009.

On January 9th, 2009, I received the aluminum LIM Gaskets from ZZP. After work I went to Corey’s place to hit it one last time. I installed the new LIM Gaskets and remounted everything I had. I had no fuel leaks and put my new oil and oil filter in my car. After checking everything out before starting my car; I started the car and seemed to run great for the first ten seconds and then started struggling again. I shut it off and checked the oil and once again it was milky. So I drained the oil again, this time it was milkier than before. After the huge disappointment, I drained it and put new oil with a new oil filter and topped off the Anti-freeze which took very little. I proceeded to start the car one last time, but still struggled. Still disappointed and out of time I left it for the night and called it a day

Do you guys have any ideas what the issue is? Is the LIM bad or am I missing something? This really blows and im getting really frustrated with it….Thanks in advance!

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 Post subject: Re: LIM disappointment
PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 1:14 am 
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Get rid of the coolant o-rings. Either get a bolt and thread the LIM so the bolt will fit in or get some JB weld and fill in the coolant holes. When my ssic was done the one o-ring got pinched during install and caused some problems. Luckily I had some spares so I took care of it. I didn't have the time to fill my coolant holes in the LIM, but I wish that I did. How many miles are on your engine again? Not that these would have to do with the oil being milky, but some other things to check out, did you replace the coolant elbows? How does your waterpump look?

When we did Shadows ported LIM, there is a cover on the drivers side of it with 2 10mm bolts I believe. Well the previous owner of the LIM never tighten them back up and since we never unbolted the cover we never thought to check them. When we poured the coolant in his car it all drained out of this side cover. We didn't know it at the time and shadow went and bought all new LIM gaskets and did it again. He eventually found that the little cover was loose, tightened it up and solved his problem. Once again, just throwing some stuff out there for you to chew on.

When you put the LIM gaskets down, did you run a bead of GM adhesive along the short sides of the block or did you use the little rubber gaskets provided? They have little tabs to "hold" them in place. Also, you should run a bead of GM adhesive about an inch up the head on both sides to ensure a good seal. Good luck Dave.

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 Post subject: Re: LIM disappointment
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The coolant holes were filled with allen bolts and i put on my old o-rings and the o-rings cant have but 8k on them. We replaced the coolant elbows as well..and yes i ran GM adhesive on both sides as well...i 4got to add i have the train whistle effect like you had Brian. It just started happening last night

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If you filled the holes with allen bolts than you don't need the coolant o-rings anymore. You are getting the train whistle affect because you are using 2 garlock gaskets. Put a stock gasket between the s/c and i/c and use the garlock gasket between the lim and i/c.

For anyone that doesn't know about the train whistle affect, here you go;
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 Post subject: Re: LIM disappointment
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I had that problem when I put my turbo on. The gasket for the S/C didn't sit properly, it was pretty interesting (and annoying to tear things apart again). Good luck with the fix. I know how aggravating it can be to buy something like oil, and just dump it out cursing the waste of time/cash.

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 Post subject: Re: LIM disappointment
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that lim has to be bad, theres no reason you should still be leaking coolant.

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dave dont get discouraged. theres a solution to this that were all missing, and we'll come across it eventually..

if you changed the oil after reinstalling everything, but before starting the car, and that much coolant got in the oil after running the car for less than a minute, theres a pretty good sized leak somewhere. either that LIm is cracked/bad somehow, or coolant is leaking from somewhere else.

id check compression on each cylinder to rule out the head gasket. can you run your non ported LIM with the IC core or does it need to be ported? if you can, maybe try that and see if you still have problems?

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Kyle_99_gtp wrote:
can you run your non ported LIM with the IC core or does it need to be ported? if you can, maybe try that and see if you still have problems?

I'm running a stock LIM with my ssic. Sure, I don't get the full potential of the i/c, but the car still moves.

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Well i try a few things this coming weekend if i get time im hauling it home to the parents place to see what i can get accomplished

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Well i got the car put back together and running no coolant in the oil and seems to be running ok...this is what i did...i pulled the LIM off again....drained coolant and oil and cleaned everything out again....put my STOCK LIM back in and left the intercooler off and put the ported supercharger on...put oil in ran it for 10 mins...checked it and was slightly milky...changed the oil 1 last time and no milky view that i could see of!! i put 150 miles on it today not going WOT ..everything is good now only thing i have a problem with now is that my SES light is on telling me im running lean...my tuner is giving me issues on trying to get o2 readings...

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Somethings just not right. Did you block off the egr? Maybe your heads are warped/cracked? Just throwing stuff out there.

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Condore21 wrote:
Somethings just not right. Did you block off the egr? Maybe your heads are warped/cracked? Just throwing stuff out there.


No the egr is not blocked off....if my heads were cracked warped i would have random misfires....which i do not...i am just running lean now..which i think there was some antifreeze on top of the cylinders cause it was misfiring slightly when i started it yesterday. and white smoke came out of the exhaust. then came out of it..so i think the antifreezed may have F'd up when the antifreeze was getting burned through.

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If you think you have antifreeze on the top of the pistons, pull your plugs and see what they look like.

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Condore21 wrote:
If you think you have antifreeze on the top of the pistons, pull your plugs and see what they look like.


they were dry and nothing looked out of the ordinary.

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i really hope you get it all figured out dave. i think youll love that car again someday...

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Kyle_99_gtp wrote:
i really hope you get it all figured out dave. i think youll love that car again someday...


funny you say that talked to a kid last night and would give me 8100 as the car sits right now!!

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i got the train whistle affect how do i fix it ? thanks it goes away after it worms up i have a garlock on the bottom and a stock on top thanks for the input.

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