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 Post subject: Tune up
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:16 am 
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Alright Guys im making a Trip to California this Summer with my brother. We want to take a road trip together before we both end up to busy in life. My uncle lives out there so were staying with him and Im saving cash but I think the car needs some things before we go in June.

1. Cleaning the MAF and TB
2. New plugs and Wires (Is the coil pack worth doing?)
3. possible FIC

So Im figuring on following the write up on here to clean the MAF and TB of the car, but for the plugs wires and coil what do you guys sudgest? Im currently runing the origional AC delco Wires plugs and coil pack. My car is a hair over 60 k miles so I figure they could do with replacing. I was performance oriented stuff But dont need race stuff obviously. I just know how much of a difference just Bosh plugs and wires made on my friends 96 Silverado and Figure I could benefit similarly. I also could do with a Fuel injector cleaning to probably although I dont know if Im going to do it, I did it last year so I might just settle with the top 2. Let me know Guys. Thanks.

BTW on a 2nd note Any members located In West TX, NM, AZ, or CA?

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 Post subject: Re: Tune up
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 1:21 am 
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Stock ACDelco wires (or PRJ's if you want something performance oriented) and stock ACDelco Iridium plugs (or at least something else Iridium unless you want to change plugs every other 5-10k miles).
The coil packs shouldn't need changed unless you have having misfire issues related to them. A MSD coil pack, for example, will net you almost no benefits over the stock coil pack other than looking red compared to black. If this was a carborated engines, then yes an MSD would net you results. :Waits to be flamed by MSD users: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Tune up
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So Delco Iridium plugs and New Delco wires? Will it be peppier then 60 thousand mile old wires and plugs? How do plugs and wires deteriorate? Im new to some of this stuff lol.

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 Post subject: Re: Tune up
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I don't think you need iridium plugs. They are quite expensive. I replaced my plugs and wires at ~85k miles, and they were both fine. Plugs were still gapped correctly, and clean. Iridium plugs are something like ~8 a plug or so. I paid ~$16 for all 12 NGK platnium plugs. You don't need to worry about changing plus "every 5-10k" miles. Waste of money and time. Platniums are good for ~100k usually. Mine at 85K were fine. My advice, go platmium and save the money. Plug wires won't make much difference either, but they do dress the engine bay up nicely.

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Don't forget to check the brake fluid. It should look like vegetable oil.....nice and clear. Flushing that old dark fluid out makes a noticeable difference. Check your tire pressure while cold before hitting the road too.

Unless your gas mileage is dropping, misfire, rough idle or sluggish performance then I wouldn't worry about the plugs & wires too much. You may want to pull a plug our two and inspect it first.

I agree with the above MSD coil being of no need unless you like red.

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 Post subject: Re: Tune up
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webby092 wrote:
I don't think you need iridium plugs. They are quite expensive. I replaced my plugs and wires at ~85k miles, and they were both fine. Plugs were still gapped correctly, and clean. Iridium plugs are something like ~8 a plug or so. I paid ~$16 for all 12 NGK platnium plugs. You don't need to worry about changing plus "every 5-10k" miles. Waste of money and time. Platniums are good for ~100k usually. Mine at 85K were fine. My advice, go platmium and save the money. Plug wires won't make much difference either, but they do dress the engine bay up nicely.

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These cars have iridium plugs for a reason. The waste ignition system ruins non iridium plugs like platinum (single electrode) and especially cooper at a much faster rate than iridium. ACDelco OEM plugs are like 7 bucks a pop, not bad for something that is designed to last 100k miles and not have a change in performance over that time. So why downgrade on something as key as your ignition system? Just my .02.

But as Anton said, I'd check your current plugs because they are more than likely still fine after only 60k.

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 Post subject: Re: Tune up
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If you go with AC Delco plugs and wires, Rock Auto has the plugs for $5.56 each (41101), and the wire set goes for $45.79 (746BB) or $27.79 for the 9746BB.
They have a warehouse in Texas, so you should get the parts quickly. For discount codes: RetailMeNot.com


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 Post subject: Re: Tune up
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My bad, i did not realize they had iridium plugs stock. I know my series 2 3800 did not. Hopefully mine don't crap out soon lol. I want to move on from this car sooner than later, hopefully the plus don't crap out lol.


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I don't think you need iridium plugs. They are quite expensive. I replaced my plugs and wires at ~85k miles, and they were both fine. Plugs were still gapped correctly, and clean. Iridium plugs are something like ~8 a plug or so. I paid ~$16 for all 12 NGK platnium plugs. You don't need to worry about changing plus "every 5-10k" miles. Waste of money and time. Platniums are good for ~100k usually. Mine at 85K were fine. My advice, go platmium and save the money. Plug wires won't make much difference either, but they do dress the engine bay up nicely.

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These cars have iridium plugs for a reason. The waste ignition system ruins non iridium plugs like platinum (single electrode) and especially cooper at a much faster rate than iridium. ACDelco OEM plugs are like 7 bucks a pop, not bad for something that is designed to last 100k miles and not have a change in performance over that time. So why downgrade on something as key as your ignition system? Just my .02.

But as Anton said, I'd check your current plugs because they are more than likely still fine after only 60k.

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 Post subject: Re: Tune up
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if you do change your spark plugs, i learned a nice trick for the back ones. Take a piece of rubber hose that the tip of the spark plug fits firmly in, but you can still turn the plug inside the hose. This makes it so much easier because you dont have to worry about cross threading them beacause the plug can spin inside the hose.

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 Post subject: Re: Tune up
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I'd check your tire pressure, and do a simple MAF cleaning alongside the general things that you should always check, oil, trans fluid, etc, brake fluid, etc. Your TB I'm sure could withstand 40k miles before a real cleaning would be in order (about the time when I cleaned mine). The TB had some black residue in it but was nothing that looked like it would alter the performance of the vehicle. Your coil packs should be fine unless yours experiences many misfires. Mine have held up and im nearing 110k with the stockers. As for wires it may be a good idea to look into new ones if you think the old ones need changing. Best of luck, im sure your car will make it just fine.

PS also have your battery checked along with alternator.

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cannon wrote:
if you do change your spark plugs, i learned a nice trick for the back ones. Take a piece of rubber hose that the tip of the spark plug fits firmly in, but you can still turn the plug inside the hose. This makes it so much easier because you dont have to worry about cross threading them beacause the plug can spin inside the hose.


^Agreed 100X!

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 Post subject: Re: Tune up
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The best mod for changing the rear plugs is headers! ;) It is so much easier changing the rears with headers.

I wouldn't change the spark plugs out since they are supposed to be good for $100k. But I would say that if you are going to take them out to check them, you might as well put new ones in while you are in there. Unless you are having misfire issues I wouldn't bother changing them.

Also I have run coppers AL104's for well over 20k miles without issues and they came out pretty clean when I changed them. But if my car was stock, I would stick with the stock plugs.

MSD replacement coils for our cars are actually weaker than the stock coils.

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 Post subject: Re: Tune up
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Alright Ill leave it alone for a while. I cleaned the TB cause it was cheap considering getting some MAF cleaner but Honestly wouldnt expect it to make any difference the sensors looked clean to me. Thanks for all the advice guys.

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